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Fairly Legal Interviewby Pattye Grippo    

This is a transcript of an interview with Sarah Shahi on March 10, 2012 about the show Fairly Legal.

Sarah Shahi

Question:
Can you talk about what we can expect this season in general?

Sarah Shahi:
This year the goal was to make Kate uncomfortable. We're going to take away her security blankets. The things that she thought that she could rely on the most. Like Justin for example, something kind of big is going to happen there. There's a big reveal in the first episode. And that kind of colors the rest of the season for their relationship. Kate's boat blows up, and she ends up moving in with Lauren. And so there's room for more funny situations.

But the overall goal is to push this character, who part of her charm is really in not growing up and not wanting responsibility and being kind of child-like. And to push her hand at possibly being an adult, having to grow up, having you know consequences for some of the things that go wrong at work, which they will this year, and to see how she does. And you know, if I know Kate Reed, she's not going to do too well at it. The main difference between this year and last year. And also you know, we're building to this really nice little love triangle between Kate, Justin, and Ben.

Question:
What have you found most challenging out of this year? Is there something different that you know continues to challenge you?

Sarah Shahi:
I think the hardest part of the show for me is the hours. It's about 16 hours every day, and that's the challenging part. It's a marathon and Tony Shalhoub once told me that you're like a hamster in a cage. You put your head down and you don't really come up for air. Every once in a while you get to come up for air, but then you know you can't get too used to it. You just put your head down and you just keep going. So yes, it's the hours really that are the most challenging for me.

Question:
Now that we're a season into your series, what about the role keeps you challenged?

Sarah Shahi:
It's how do you define the thing about her, it's what I love about her too, why I wanted to be this girl so badly is I love her flaws. And I love that she's a character that is incredibly unapologetic about everything too. And she's a very strong female voice. Now the trick with that comes in because you know the nature of the show is procedural, but in my opinion that's not the heart of the show. So the challenge kind of comes in finding the different levels of emotion within everything.

If I had my pick, I think I'd probably play Kate to the highest dramatical sense in every scene. Everything would be life and death, which isn't necessarily always right. So I guess that's the thing about her is finding the emotional level that is at stake within everything.

Question:
Is there anything the viewers should know about your character that hasn't been apparent so far?

Sarah Shahi:
No. No, not necessarily. The other beauty about this girl is what you see is what you get. She's pretty up front. There is no holds barred and she's not hiding anything. You're going to know what she thinks about you at any given situation. She's not hiding anything.

Question:
How does this show differ from all the other legal shows on television?

Sarah Shahi:
Oh, because it's better. Come on. You know the answer to that. I don't feel like the heart of the show is that it's a law show. I mean, I actually am not a fan of procedurals myself. And if anything I fight tooth and nail every day to keep this from being a procedural show. Maybe that's the one thing. Honestly, other than the procedural that I was on before this, I've never really seen another procedural show. Because the things that keep me invested is the heart stuff and that's what I continue to play. So if anything, I hope this show is different because it comes across as so much more than a procedural.

Question:
And so this season we have Ben, and he's interesting. What would you say he brings to the show aside from annoying basically everyone?

Sarah Shahi:
He's very quickly become you know a thorn in everyone's side, but with his character comes more comedy, which is always nice. And he is going to spark something in Kate. So something between Kate and Ben is going to be sparked between them. We are building to that lovely little triangle, but that's the stuff that I love. You know, it's like I'm really glad that they brought this character in because that's the stuff that I want to see when I watch TV is I want to see what the romantic interests are and what people's emotions are doing, and how that's coloring how they work.

And you know what's so great about his character is he's definitely coloring Kate's heart in a different way. Kind of unbeknownst to herself in the beginning. And you know, he's definitely coming in and he's stirring everything up, which is just changing everyone's emotions. So it's nice. There's a lot of payoffs that comes with his character. He's a different character than everyone else. Kate has a very moral objective and she just wants what's right, and he just wants money. And he's very up-front about it, just like how Kate is very up-front about the things that she wants to get. All the way through she finds him kind of repulsive for that. Because if anything that's the last thing that she's concerned with.

Question:
Is Kate ever going to get somewhat happier towards the end of the season, or is she still in her little rut with Leo?

Sarah Shahi:
With her this season, it's really the goal was to kind of show a character that you know goes two steps forward and then three steps back. And then one step forward and then one step. And then she's at zero. And then she's going half a step forward and a full step back. So it's to keep her kind of dancing and to keep her on her toes.

She is going to have happy, yes. I mean you know Kate by nature is definitely a funny character within those moments of solitude that things go wrong with her. But you know, she wants to be happy and she'll find it. It's going to be very up and down this year.

Question:
Do you think that one of the show's biggest appeal is how so many women can relate to Kate?

Sarah Shahi:
Absolutely. I've always thought that she was a very, very personal and relatable character. I mean who doesn't have issues with their parents? Who doesn't have issues with their boss? Who doesn't have that relationship that they're in, but then they shouldn't be in? The guy or the girl is oh, so good, but they're oh, so wrong.

She's a modern day girl with very relatable problems and that was definitely my goal in playing her is playing her as a woman who comes across as kind of you know ordinary as possible. Somebody who comes across very simply in their agenda and what they want. That's what I want and I hope that's what comes across.

Question:
Are we going to see more development between Kate and Lauren's relationship, and how's that going to play out?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. There is going to be more development between them and that's another one where we're going to take a couple steps forward and then take gigantic leaps back. Kate ends up moving in with Lauren and they are very different people. It's like at the end of the day, Kate doesn't have the maturity yet to accept that this woman did not cause the death of her father, which is the whole reason why Kate doesn't like her. She blames the initial separation or the distancing of Dad and Kate she blames that on Lauren because she and her father were very close and here comes the other woman, takes Daddy away. No Dad's dead.

At this point in the stage, I don't think Kate has the emotional maturity to understand that that's not Lauren's fault. So she's going to pin everything on Lauren still. You know, still enjoy watching Lauren writhe every time she calls her step-mom. But when it comes to the work, when it comes to work, there are few times where Kate and Lauren both come to each other's aid. And you know, Kate is a big enough person in those moments to recognize she needs help and I'm going to help her. Because at the end of the day, even if they are very different people, Lauren is very pristine and neat, and Kate just kind of comes in and makes a mess of Lauren's place.

At the end of the day, they would you know give the shirt off of their backs to help the other person, because they are family. And if there is one thing that keeps them together, it is the firm and it is Teddy. I think in honor of Kate's father, she would never do anything that would put Lauren out. It's going to quite a while before we see a full evolvement in their relationship. But there are some situations this year in which they have to come together and help each other. But then the kind of is back to square one.

Question:
You talked about having Ben on as a new character. Could you talk about having Ryan as a cast member and the addition of him behind the scenes?

Sarah Shahi:
We went through a big audition process. Months long before we finally found him, and I had a great deal to do with his being on the show. It kind of felt like you know Mae West in a way, just going through a lineup of men and going, ???You, come with me,??? you know. So it was kind of like that. Right off the bat I recognized he had a very comedic sensibility and he was funny and had that kind of randomness that Ben has. And he's been great.

I'm not going to lie. When you spend 16 hours a day with somebody, it doesn't matter who they are, they're going to get on your nerves. We are a dysfunctional family at its best. The cast. What's been so fortunate about the show is there hasn't been real acting involved. Everything that's happening is very organic.

Ryan and I a lot of times we do spat like an old married couple. But then again I do that with Justin. I do that with Leo. What's there in the dynamic is very much brother/sister. We're constantly pulling on each other's pigtails. So you know, with Lauren it's the same. You know, it's all there as well. Ryan fits right in honestly. The cast is very jokey with each other. We dish it out left and right. We're not nice to each other at times and Ryan and his Aussie sensibility he just kind of fits right in with everything. So it was a very easy fit and he brings a very light, comedic you know sensibility, just like his character does to the cast.

Question:
Has playing her helped you become a better negotiator or peace maker in your personal life, in your real life at all?

Sarah Shahi:
Well, no. You would think it would've, but no. I'm not that smart. Here's what I've gotten from her. Kate is a woman, it's part of her charm and its part of her flaw. She's incredibly in the moment and she's very spontaneous. And if anything, that's the thing that I've personally from her. Being a wife, being a new mom, you know you feel like you have everything planned out, or at least you try to have everything planned out.

There's nothing like a two year old to show you that you're wrong. So the thing that I've really gotten from her is to really just kind of have no expectations and to just go after what my heart wants and to be spontaneous and to be a little unpredictable. I've become more like that, which I have to say I really like. That's the stuff that I've gotten from her. I can't say I use her negotiating tactics as much. I'm trying to with my two year old, but again it's like he doesn't care.

Question:
I'm a little bit curious how your relationships on the show are going to be changing this season?

Sarah Shahi:
We're definitely using the main cast more this year than we were able to last year. And so we are going to see more interaction between everyone. It's more of those dynamics that were established last year, but then better because again, we're spending more time with them. It's all that stuff. With Lauren it's a love/hate relationship with more of the hate apparent than the love, though it is there. With Michael or with Justin, it's very up and down. We get divorced but then we're back together, and then it's not going to work out. But then we're going to give it another shot and then maybe it doesn't work out.

There's a guy named Ben, and with Ben he gets under Kate's skin very quickly and then becomes to find out that she's got feelings for him. And he obviously has liked her from the beginning. Leo is being pulled in a bunch of different directions. You know since the firm is losing money and cutting back, he's having to be Kate's assistant, Ben's assistant, Lauren's assistant. And so it kind of makes his head spin a little bit. If anything he has a little bit different dynamic to play because he's being torn in different directions.

Question:
In that one scene in the very first episode, Ben comes in after seeing Kate for the second time when he goes tickle fish. How hard or funny was that to film?

Sarah Shahi:
It was good. It was more surprising than funny because Kate is so thrown when she sees the guy from the bar. It wasn't really necessarily funny per se. I guess it's probably funnier to watch than it is to film. It definitely threw Kate off. It was you know more surprising and kind of knocked her back on her feet than it was funny.

Question:
As an actor, was that hard to stay in character for that moment, or were you just able to roll with it?

Sarah Shahi:
No. That one was fine. I was able to roll with that. The one moment in the first episode that I had a hard time filming because we just could not hold a straight face is when Ben and Kate are in the car together and we pull up to Ben's bus ad and then he's like, ???Huh-huh-huh? Look at that.??? And I just could not keep a straight face and I just broke take after take after take. And then eventually, I think the cut of me that they had to use was me breaking because they just don't have one of me reacting the way the character should be. I couldn't help it. It was too funny.

Question:
Kate, Ben, and Justin each kind of have their own idea of what is morally right. How throughout the season will they or will or will they not kind of rub off on each other and kind of have the characters maybe see other perspectives and even take other perspectives with the cases?

Sarah Shahi:
I think they do. They are able to see the other person's perspective. Yes. But then again that's what's so great about the show is every character is so unique and distinct in what they believe, and so they're not you know very easily swayed. So even for Justin to see Ben's side, or for Kate never sees Ben's side. If anything, Ben starts coming more around to Kate's objectives. And you know, Lauren's goal at this point is just to keep the lights on.

When a character does become persuaded by another, there's a lot of work involved. It doesn't happen easily. If anything, that just becomes the main objective of that character's story line. But yes the ideas do start to rub off on each other. But I will say nobody is coloring Kate's mind. Kate's objective is the show. It's the heart of the show. So Kate never will go over and see Ben's perspective or Justin's or Lauren's.

She will you know help them out in a moment. There's a situation that Lauren gets under, she's being investigated for misconduct in one episode, and you know she has her reasons for doing it and Kate kind of goes along with it just to help her. But then afterwards, she definitely you know puts it to her and tells her how wrong and how inappropriate she was for doing this and how she did put everyone at stake for the decision that she made. So again it's like other characters will be colored by Kate's point of view, but I don't think Kate ever really becomes persuaded by anybody else's.

Question:
In Season 1, Leo has a lot of fun stuff on his desk. In this season, Kate actually has some fun stuff on her desk. Is there something that brings that about?

Sarah Shahi:
It was trying to find the randomness in the character and trying to portray a picture of somebody who is in this corporate world but is so not of this corporate world. You know, so I have a record player there too which we end up using in some of the later episodes. Kate's listening to her records.

It was all done in a way to portray that this is again a character who's in this very black and white world but she is nothing of that. We just filmed something yesterday at Lauren's house, and you know Kate's boat blows up. She ends up moving in with Lauren. And I had them put up the sign in the window that Kate wrote saying, ???Help me. I'm homeless.??? So you know again, it's just the little things like that to try to color and it may look like a procedural show, but it's definitely not.

Question:
After producers announced that there'd be a bit of retooling of the show, I think you were reported as saying something like you had some ideas. Did you in fact write any ideas as they worked on the Season 2 changes? And what were they?

Sarah Shahi:
The changes for Season 2 were the change in the show runner. That was the big change. I had an idea that things were moving in that direction. I mean being the face of the show, there's very little creative decisions that can be made without me knowing them. I did have a clue in what they were; it was that we were changing show runners, which then by its nature brings a very different element to the show in itself.

Question:
How would you describe that?

Sarah Shahi:
I think the first season of any show more or less are kind of a trial period. And the fact that we got brought back to do a second season was great because then we were able to take all the things from the first season that didn't work and change them. And one of the things that didn't work is the show sometimes last year felt a little silly. Sometimes the mediations felt a little silly and we needed to ground it a little bit more. So that's what this season has been about. Kate's stance this year is she going to grow up. She's in this adult world, very corporate world, and she's just struggling tooth and nail to not be a part of that.

Question:
You talked about maturity and that being a constant struggle for Kate. How do you balance the need for Kate to grow in her story line and grow up a bit and maintain sort of the na??ve charm she uses to be so good at what she does?

Sarah Shahi:
In her heart this is a character that's very playful by nature. She's a very spirited person. They haven't really written anything. We haven't really earned Kate growing up. It's like we're only in the second season in, so if we're going to make some really big changes to her personality in that respect, I think it has to be earned and we've got to be a few seasons in. So we can't force our hand and you know join the stuffy adults too soon.

Question:
Does Michael Sardo still remain as a writer?

Sarah Shahi:
No. He remains as a check collector.

Question:
I think she's always been very adult as far as her work is concerned. So she has to grow up in her personal life?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. The thing is it's not necessarily that she's adult about it because Kate is constantly breaking the rules. She's constant breaking the rules in her professional life. She really doesn't care about roles so much. She has a case and you know her heart kind of draws her to what is the right thing to do, regardless of what the law says, regardless of what two people want.

She has the ability to prod, and prod, and prod until they really reveal what they want from each other, even if it's not what they initially thought going into the mediation. And if anything, that's what drives her. It's not necessarily that she is an adult in this professional world but she's not in her personal life; it's the fact that she's just so passionate, and you know she's very defiant in what she believe and how she feels, and that's what she goes after.

It's kind of the same in her personal life, except at the moment it's kind of murky what she feels. So if anything that's what drives her in that professional life. It's that passionate heart. And she gets into trouble. You'll see in the season she will be held in contempt. She gets clients into deeper waters than they initially started. And she's got to work harder to get them out. She's not always able to fix everyone so it's a pendulum. It does go in both worlds.

Question:
How many are you shooting this season?

Sarah Shahi:
13.

Question:
Could you talk to me about the real Sarah Shahi and the character you play. Can you compare and contrast?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. The reason which we're the same is that at the end of the day, it's a lot Kate is a big part of me. And it's nice to be able to play something that is a part of myself that I can kind of slip into without any vanity as I said. But the ways in which we're similar, we're both very, very feisty, very passionate, and you know love life kind of people and take charge of life. You know, we're flirty and love clothes.

The ways in which we're different Kate is kind of irresponsible and she is a bit you know childish and immature, whereas I'm a wife and a mother, and I just don't have that much room for immaturity in my life, though I would love to have more. Everyone knows that it is kind of the woman that holds the family together in a way, and I do feel that responsibility.

Question:
Could you go into a little bit more detail about what's going to happen between you and Michael Trucco's character?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes, and it just gets even better between us. And there's just so much natural chemistry that it's so fun to watch. We're going to go through it. He's going to drop the hammer on me in the first episode on how he behaved during our marriage, and then from that it's the roller coaster. We get divorced. Kate becomes a little cold towards him. She starts being a flirtier towards other people, and then they get back together and they're going to try being together.

But they're just sleeping together, but they're not really dating. And then he kind of comes to her and he's like, ???Okay, well why don't we start dating???? And she's like, ???Okay, why not. Let's just start dating.??? And then there's Ben, and then Kate starts looking at Ben a little more and starts holding his gaze a little too long. She goes back and just isn't sure about Justin anymore. So we're just going to keep going round and round and round until the season finale.

Question:
Tell me a little bit about Leonardo and are going to get to see more of him and Kate's relationship?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. Yes, we do. We get to see Kate's relationship more with everyone this year, which is nice. But yes, we do. But you know, Leo and Kate are kind of unflappable in a way, but they're brother and sister. He knows her better than she knows herself. He knows what she's going to do before she even does it, and so it's more of that.

Their dynamic really doesn't change too much this year. The only difference is Leo is having to serve as everyone that sits in the office, and Kate doesn't really like that too much. And he has to come to my defense at time with some of the other characters. But other than that, Kate and Leo are you know, true and true.

Question:
Everybody's been talking about the change in the whole dynamic of the presentation of the show, and you've obviously got a lot on your plate between the show and being a mom. How do you juggle all that?

Sarah Shahi:
My favorite thing to say about that is I have a brain and a uterus and I use them both. But it is a juggle. It's a juggle and it's a juggle that I constantly feel like I'm failing at, because I want to be with my son 100% of the time. But then again this is how I make my living. This is how I pay the bills. So I can't.

I just try to bring him with me everywhere I go, and he comes to set often and I make the AD's baby-sit. And yes, you try to make it work the best that you can. I don't know how to answer that because I don't feel like I've gotten it down. You know again like I said, I constantly feel like I'm not doing a good enough job.

Question:
What do you do for yourself in terms of me time?

Sarah Shahi:
There's none of that. There's none of that right now. If I have extra time, I sleep. That's just what I do. And I've gotten really good at it. I can now sleep standing up. I can even sleep with my eyes open, that's how badly my body needs sleep. Anything extra goes to just sleeping honestly. And you know, and to kind of keep myself sane on set and not constantly have my nose buried in the script, I did take up knitting. So sleeping and knitting.

Question:
Knit? Is there anything in particular that you have completed that you really like?

Sarah Shahi:
No. I'm working on a hat though. I'm working on a beanie. I've been working it for awhile. We'll see how long it takes me to finish.

Question:
We talked about with the change in your show and everything that you're kind of aware of what's going on the set. But do you get to give input a lot?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes, I do. As far as the writing staff goes, the cast was kind of the only returning members from you know the change in regime. So in the beginning Peter did rely very heavily on me and the dynamics that were written between the characters, and we did spend a lot of time in pre-production finding the voice and the dynamics. And no, it's not because Peter is such a great writer, such a confident writer that he has no problems with me coming in and changing things or suggesting to change things; he's always taken my ideas and you know, it's a very good, open, collaborative relationship.

Question:
Is there something that kind of you would just love to see happen with Kate?

Sarah Shahi:
I would love for Kate to somehow mediate something between Russell Crow and Slash and have to make out with both of them. I would love for that to happen.

Question:
Speaking of actors, is there any guest stars you could talk about that are coming this season?

Sarah Shahi:
The biggest has been Meatloaf. Meatloaf comes by, and he prefers to be called Meat, and he was wonderful. Kate and him kind of go head to head and get into a screaming match, which is kind of fun. I almost matched him in decibels, which I was proud of.

He comes by and he plays a union worker. The union is going to go on strike because the agency that's funding them wants to cut their wages, and Kate kind of gets in the middle and finds out that there's more underneath the surface than what it appears to be. So he comes by and he was wonderful.

Question:
Will we see her thrown off balance to the point where she ever actually loses that fearlessness for any reason?

Sarah Shahi:
The situation that she is in is that she is not as fearless as she says she is becomes a personal thing. When it comes to her work especially, she sees the fire and she walks into it. She's just drawn to it. She cannot help it. But when it comes to her personal life, again she's a little bit more unclear and there is more fear with that she'd like to believe. So the situation that she does kind of get really thrown off her feet, and it happens to be a personal one with Ben where he kind of challenges her in a way that she challenged him in the beginning. And, she doesn't act. And she doesn't recover well from that.

As far as her work goes, and this is a character that we have created so far that she's drawn to conflict. She has to have it. She loves it. She lives it. She breathes it. And so when it comes to her work stuff, she's going to keep remaining fearless, but again the thing that drives her is her heart. So it's not to say that she doesn't go into a circumstance without any kind of fear or you know doubting things, but it's the fact that she does it. She doesn't back away from anything when it comes to her work. But when it comes to her personal life this year, she does.

Question:
I noticed that Ben and Katie have a very David and Maddie type chemistry, but the show seems to be trying to avoid the Moonlighting thing where it's strictly will they or won't they, or when they, or when will they rather. But because with the triangle, you can't really be sure of anything with any combination. And I'm just wondering, what's it like to play that?

Sarah Shahi:
After awhile, all the scripts kind of start getting very confusing in my head and I do kind of forget where I left off with what was the last dynamic with Ben or with Justin. So I have to be very certain of how the relationship has evolved. And because we do shoot out of order, that's something that takes a little bit of going back in and remembering where we last stood. And also knowing what we're building to is kind of how we strategically are playing the scenes. And you know, it's like you know placing the pieces of the puzzle to build to this really nice picture in the end.

So it's a dance. It's a definite dance. But then again, that's the stuff that I love playing. That's what I feel like I'm actually good at. So we'll see if everyone else agrees.

Question:
Lauren and Kate move in, and so do you get to see more of them out of work?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. Yes. There's actually an entire episode that they spend together because they're on a case together. So there's going to be more interaction with Lauren. More interaction with everyone.

Question:
Do we get to see anyone else more outside of the office?

Sarah Shahi:
Justin and the campaign, that comes along from the later episodes. And actually, we see every character in their home a few times throughout the season.

Question:
If you had to say whose house reminds you most of that character?

Sarah Shahi:Justin's is very kind of warm. It's masculine. It's minimal. It's a bit traditional looking. And then Lauren's is a little bit colder, more minimal. And not so warm. And then Ben's, I'm trying to think if I've been to Ben's. I haven't been to Ben's yet, but I'm going to, and it's the ultimate bachelor pad. It's Ryan Gosling's place in Crazy, Stupid, Love.

Question:
When I read on the database it says you have some other upcoming projects coming up. Can you talk a bit about that?

Sarah Shahi:
Yes. The things I have that haven't been released yet are this movie that I did in India called Static with Milo Ventimiglia, who is on Heroes and that's kind of like The Strangers meets The Others. It's a psychological thriller movie. And I play this woman who has lost her son, her three year old son, and basically my husband and Milo and I, we're ghosts and we've lost our son, but we don't realize that we're ghosts.

And a series of things happen to kind of shake us into realizing what we are and helping us go into the next world to be with our son. So that's that. A simple little romantic comedy. And then the other thing that I did was a Sylvester Stallone movie directed by Walter Hill called Bullet to the Head, which I play Sly's daughter in the film. And I'm a tattoo artist. It takes place in gritty New Orleans, and Stallone is a hit man and his partner gets killed and he's out to avenge his partner's death. And he and I don't have a very good relationship, but we're all family that the other one has. And I get involved in the mix and try to help him out and get taken hostage. And you know, he has to save me. It's a very testosterone driven, it's exactly what you would expect from going to see a Stallone movie.

Question:
What do you think you'd be doing if you weren't acting?

Sarah Shahi:
I'd be a midwife. Most people are surprised at. But yes I did a home birth myself, and I feel like I have a talent for it. I'd helped deliver my manager's baby, and my heart was so overjoyed at that moment when the baby came out. And this was not mine. This is watching somebody else that I had a big part in the birth, that I really thought about quitting acting and I felt like I'd found my calling. It was to be a midwife.

I remember I called my husband when I was coming back from the hospital and I said, ???I think I'm in the wrong field. I really think I need to be a midwife.??? I think I have an uncanny understanding of all of that and the way it works and our bodies. And if I weren't an actress, I would love to go to school and be a midwife.

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