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Perfect Couples Interviewby Pattye Grippo    

This is a transcript of an interview with Kyle Bornheimer (Dave) and Hayes MacArthur (Rex) on February 8, 2011 about the show Perfect Couples.

Kyle and Dave

Question:Kyle Bornheimer:
I couldn't be more similar. I don't know where my life ends at this and one begins. I mean when I met with the guys about it, Scott Silveri and Jon Pollack, and we started swapping stories about coupledom and kind of graduating from your 20s into your 30s and then all of a sudden you're hit with kind of about adulthood.

And a lot of this builds with that transition and, you know, under the brighter lights of being in a couple too which it was exasperating. There's no manual for it although some of the couples in Perfect Couples actually do use a manual. You know, we kind of went from the place that everyday it's new. But it's fun that way. You know, it's constantly putting our show into our life and our life into our show.

Hayes MacArthur:
I think speaking to that transition from the 20s to the 30s is something that all the characters go through on our show like being single and then now being in relationships and dealing with all the things that come along with it. And, you know, Rex is this reformed party guy and an ex-jock who now is really excited about being in a relationship. And I think normally you would see a character like that, an art type like that who is like an ex-party guy who's in a relationship and he feels confined and constrained by it.

But one of the things I love so much about what they - what the writers created in Rex is that he's really being into the relationship and he's taken all this competitive energy and he's put it into his own life in making his marriage work which is great. And I think one of the things when I look at each of the couples, I see little nuances of, you know, my relationship. You see I love even in the pilot episode the way that Dave and Julia discover that, you know, there may be - they play games just like they think all the other couples play games. I think it's kind of like you always think everyone else is the crazy one and then you look at yourself and you see your own stuff.

Question:
Kyle, I know you worked in single camera and three camera shows. Beyond the number of cameras, what is the difference that you see in the way those two types of shows are put together? And do you have any sort of preference for one or the other?

Kyle Bornheimer:
First of all the schedule is much different. Amazingly there's a start difference in the schedule. And the multi camera, you feel guilty about it. It's barely working. Whereas single camera the way the Perfect Couples is how and it, you know, these are, you know, it's not rare to have a 17-hour day. Our show ran actually amazingly smoothly. So we were out 13 or 14-hour day. But the schedule is different but I like both. I'm a part of that generation who's embraced single camera quite a bit. And when I did a multi cam last year, I didn't know what to expect actually. And I quite liked it.

I didn't feel confined by the format or anything. I felt I could do what I needed to do, you know. But I like both formats but if I had a preference right now might be single cam. But, you know, we might head it into an era where both are starting to get quite good. And we're certainly in an era of great single cam comedies and just wanted to be in that era. And there's a lot of good ones out there.

Hayes MacArthur:
We're having like a lot of fun with the single camera device in the show too the way that we pop back in time and do flashbacks. I think even just performing that, you know, doing a scene and knowing that you're going to pop in and get a joke like they do on 30 Rock in the middle of a scene. It's something that's fund to think of. It has a clip, a different taste to it.

Kyle Bornheimer:
It's neat because Andy Ackerman who directed most of these comes from mainly multi cam. He directed most of the Seinfelds and then New Adventures of Old Christine and he started out as an editor before he became a director and so we kind of get that sensibility of both on this show. He knows the best of the sitcom world and the best of the single cam world.

Question:
Hayes, this is you first weekly series. Can you just tell me how its been for you to acclimate yourself to a weekly schedule?

Hayes MacArthur:
I love being on the show because of the people that are involved. So to go in on a weekly schedule is really a lot of fun. It's great. I mean even getting the script and going into the table reads is fun and then all the way through the shooting; the shooting where you get just a great group of people to be around. And, you know, as Kyle was saying earlier, all the things, the stories we tell, the bits and the jokes we do all end up finding their way into the show in one way or another. So just to be working in that environment is great.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I haven't even actually felt like it was work. I mean literally I would come to work to try to see if I could crack up Hayes or crack up Marilu the bits. You know, Hayes is hard to crack up. Hayes doesn't break easily. Dave Walton is easy to make laugh. And Christine Woods I get. Olivia Munn is incredibly easy to make laugh on set.

Hayes MacArthur:
Being on a weekly series you see these people so much and you have these genuine interactions with them where if you're away doing a film, it's a little different because there's these definite end dates to everything. And it's like when camp is over, it's over because it's more like being in school with people.

Kyle Bornheimer:
You get to see them more than like any job, you see them more than you see your family really. And we got some quite in love with the six people scene. Anything that the six of us were in we started calling them sixers and would get really good and call each other and we had a sixer today. And sometimes we would drink a sixer before doing a sixer.

Question:
Kyle, a critic described you as the next Bob Newhart. Had you heard that compliment and what did you think of it and are you a fan of Bob Newhart?

Kyle Bornheimer:
I am Bob Newhart. I'm a huge fan of Bob Newhart. My parents were big Bob Newhart fans and both those shows were on - the first one with Suzanne Pleshette and then the second one set in Vermont in the 80s was where both played in our house quite a bit and my dad would play Bob Newhart's old records for me and his old telephone gags. I don't know how much consciously got into me. But just by virtue of a lot of - my family was good at one thing was being entertained. So we had a lot of movies and TV going on in the house. And Bob Newhart was certainly part of that rotation.

Question:
Can you guys tell me a little bit what to expect from Perfect Couples and what is your idea of a perfect couple?

Hayes MacArthur:
Each episode deals with different thematic elements of relationships. And so jealousy is something that we explore tomorrow night. So I think what to look forward to in the future is seeing as we get to know the characters how they each deal differently with things that happen in their lives and how they kind of all medal in each other's business is really where we get a lot of the fun.

Kyle Bornheimer:
What we discovered it wasn't just the dynamic that two people have within the relationship, it's actually how couples end up relating to each other too. Because once you get into a couple, you find that you're hanging out with other couples and there's a whole new geometry that you have to learn and like what matches with what. Maybe you like your best friend's girlfriend, maybe you don't. Maybe you got to spend a weekend that you didn't plan on spending with four other people. And so what we found is that all these other dynamics that play with these couples.

And we do kind of singular episodes that, you know, are kind of standalone but there's a nice fun thread playing throughout the episodes with one of the couples that I won't give you too much away about that continues throughout the season as well as how these relationship evolve with each other. The writers are excellent at zigging when most shows would zag. They keep throwing stereotypes about couples and men and women and men in their 30s and women in their 30s unattached. I love the way they would kind of play with the stereotypes of what you usually get. You know, our mantra, you know, often was, you know, we're not a beer commercial they way that those kind of cliche stereotypes are often portrayed in beer commercials.

Hayes MacArthur:
Yeah. It's not like a bunch of guys repenting their partners and girls and trying to get away from them. It's actually like the couples are partners in the show and they're best friends. And when they all medal in each other's business, it's all coming from good intentions.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yeah. You're right. It's a very positive show. What I love about it, it's not cynical or bitter. I mean it's got dark edges and it's certainly has an edge to it. But it comes from a much more positive place than I think people often get.

Hayes MacArthur:
They say you see all those pressures of like big characters that you're dealing with in you life, medalling in your life is like family like usually get in a lot of family comedies. And they say well, you can't choose your family. Well in some ways like you can't choose your friends either. You know, like if your sister is married to a guy like you have to deal with that guy. And if your best friend is married to a girl, you're with that girl all the time. So it's like contents under pressure, that's where we get a lot of comedy from.

Kyle Bornheimer:
It's sometimes harder with friends because family you can kind of take for granted and tell them to screw off or, you know, and you know that they're going to come back. There's a little higher stakes with friends.

Question:
Valentine's Day is right around the corner and we're on the topic of couples and relationships, so what is the perfect Valentine's Day for both of you?

Hayes MacArthur:
We both have newborns at home.

Kyle Bornheimer:
That's a good excuse. That's a good question and I think you do get a pass when you have a newborn at home. I'm writing it down right now. When is Valentine's Day? Monday.

Hayes MacArthur:
We got to plan this stuff.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Some years I lean into it. We think we're a progressive enough couple that we can celebrate it and not feel cheesy and not celebrate and not feel like we missed it. But I don't know. This year I have to say that I have haven't thought about it much.

Hayes MacArthur:
We just know that there's an inflated price of flowers. Like roses are 30 bucks the rest of the year and a dozen roses now are $80. It's gouging, price gouging.

Question:
Have you ever done anything like really odd for Valentine's Day?

Kyle Bornheimer:
We have a little Shih Tzu that I've adopted. But it was my wife's when we first started dating. And I would always do something with the dog because she told me that the dog was born on Valentine's Day. Every Shih Tzu I've ever met has been born on Valentine's Day. Every time anyone introduces me to their Shih Tzu, they're like oh my God, you know, I was anxious to get him. He was born on Valentine's Day or I got him here and he was born on Valentine's Day. So I don't really believe that our Shih Tzu was actually born on Valentine's Day. I think that they say that about all little cute dogs. So now I feel a little bit taken by that lie. So I don't do anything with the dog anymore on Valentine's Day. I do a different day for him.

Hayes MacArthur:
He's like a prop.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I was just using the poor thing. I felt bad.

Hayes MacArthur:
Right. It's like he's your watermelon to Gallagher.

Question:
Hayes, your character meets his wife at his brother-in-law's wedding and it was love at first sight. Do you believe in that?

Hayes MacArthur:
Rex and Leigh, he proposes the night he meets Leigh because he feels that he needed her in her life. And we come to realize in the episode there was actually at Dave and Julia's wedding. So it's a game we play where they're timing is always one to interfere with the moments that are planned. Do I believe in love at first sight? I think like anything it takes time. You fall in love and you see how things progress.

Kyle Bornheimer:
So that's a yes?

Hayes MacArthur:
It would be love at first sight followed by a probationary period of figuring everything out.

Kyle Bornheimer:
That is the most romantic thing I've ever heard.

Question:
Since this show is about perfect couples, do either of you believe in soul mates?

Kyle Bornheimer:
I don't know. What the show does is it throws those questions up and it never really answers them. These couples are pretty solid. Even the couple played by David Walton and Mary Elizabeth Ellis who are the fiery couple who are always, you know, fighting and making up and fighting and making up, they have some ways the most solid relationship because they're no lies between them.

I'd love to give a pithy answer or something clever. I think it's just more complicated than soul mate I think. But these couples like we were talking about earlier they're so positively drawn. I mean there's such a hopefulness about kind of pairing up in this show even though it doesn't sort of espouse any kind of, you know, are relationships good or bad.

And I think it's just like humanity is good. And when two people pair up and try to make it work out of love, I think that's a positive thing. But it's hard. So, you know, I think if soul mate can be defined by anyone that'll put up with your stuff for prolonged periods of time, I - that's a soul mate to me. I mean I have a lot of annoying quirks that I'm sure, you know, bug the hell out of my wife. And the fact that she does not just throw things at me frequently, I would call that a soul mate.

Hayes MacArthur:
But what if like you met your soul mate and then you use the term soul mate with her and then she left you because of that?

Kyle Bornheimer:
Right. It's like calling a kid cute and the kid's like oh I'm cute and then, you know, he keeps trying to be cute.

Hayes MacArthur:
You've ruined the meaning in mind.

Question:
You mentioned making each other laugh on the show. Can you tell us some of your funny memorable moments?

Hayes MacArthur:
Kyle and I have worked together before on other projects. And one of the things that I love is we were in Pittsburgh shooting She's Out of My League which was a DreamWorks movie a couple of years ago. And Kyle made the decision at a family dinner scene to serve himself meatloaf with his hand. Because there were so many people in the scene, it took a long time to shoot and Kyle literally had his hand in this meatloaf for 12 hours one day.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I had meatloaf in my stomach for days as well and never got the line out right. I was my own worst enemy too which also led to this idea that I eat a lot on set. I would eat the prop food even if it was inedible or not. They turned my name into a verb, which is don't Bornheimer the set meaning don't eat the set.

Hayes MacArthur:
So every time if we're doing a scene and Kyle takes some chips and salsa, he's got to carry it in his hand. I know that he made that choice and will have to do it for multiple takes and every time he does it, it makes me laugh.

Kyle Bornheimer:
No. I don't make good choices. I'm not a professional actor. I don't know what I'm doing out there. Not that I'm funny but just out of sheer unprofessionalism. When I discovered that Olivia gets the giggle quite frequently, I use that to my advantage. So I'm glad there's a lot of that and when the six of us are on stage, it's a bunch of hammy actors trying to crack each other up.

Hayes MacArthur:
Yeah. And the thing that makes us all laugh the most is like how genuine we're all being with the given situation. You know, just like when we're looking at the other actors and we're saying maybe something that would be ludicrous to anyone else but makes so much sense to the character, that's what I think makes me laugh the most.

Question:
Since this next episode is about jealousy, was there anything in the episode that reminded you guys of any jealous situations in your own life?

Hayes MacArthur:
It skates the line of like boundaries, right. Doesn't the episode have your character gets jealous over Julia laughing with another guy?

Kyle Bornheimer:
What's funny is we talked a lot about how you rationalize flirting. Like that was a big topic that we just would often rap about and on set and I know that it worked its way into the episode because there's a lot of discussion where in this episode about guys flirting with girls and to what degree is flirting kind of just healthy for everyone involved and when does it cross the line and that really starts off the discussion in the episode.

And my character's often kind of rationalizing flirting as like being healthy and there's nothing wrong with it. And but when it turns the other way, when he finds out that some guy is flirting with his wife and his wife, you know, might be flirting back who, you know, or something, then he becomes insanely jealous. And there's a great line that Dave Lawton's character that how he rationalized flirting as even more bizarre in the episode. What I love about this episode is it's one that we took a very simple concept and we build all these different, you know, three different couples' perspective on it.

But I've certainly had a lot of discussions about being in a committed relationship like, are strip clubs okay, is flirting okay?

Hayes MacArthur:
Hey. Got to lay down the boundaries of everything.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yeah.

Question:
What's been your favorite scene so far for each of you?

Hayes MacArthur:
Favorite scene. I think every time we have a scene with the six of us all interacting with each other those have been amongst my favorite. Not to give anything away but I think towards the later episodes there's a party scene that takes place and some very fun stuff goes down that really made us all laugh.

Kyle Bornheimer:
And I think for early episodes when we first discovered how fun that was that were special to me like two weeks ago there's an episode where the six of us try to save Amy and Vance's relationship. We all rush to this cabin that they're at. And everyone's talents is on display in that scene. And I just had a big smile on my face remembering shooting it and just seeing all, you know, and just remember shooting it and seeing how good everyone was and how this was coming together was a time I realized all we have something special here, so.

Hayes MacArthur:
Even from last week's episode, Kyle does a table jump where he jumps from the floor from a standing position. He jumps up on the table and we saw it in the script that it was a table jump. But I thought that they were going to do some stunt work and have some cables. I mean how they were going to pull off Kyle jumping from the floor to a table I had no idea.

So they didn't tell us. And we were all together shooting one of the group scenes in the man cave. And Kyle came on set and we did a rehearsal. He didn't do the jump. Then when the cameras were rolling, he did a table jump. And it just blew us all away. We laughed so hard. And come to realize that Kyle always wanted to do a table jump.

Kyle Bornheimer:
My only talent. I try to work it into any events. I worked it into my wedding. It's something I like to display because I literally have nothing else I can do well. But the show, what's funny about that is the show has now become just like us clamoring to the writers to display talents that we have or them coming to us and asking what we can do. There was some amazing gymnastics and dancing by Hayes and Mary Elizabeth last week. Hayes has his accuracy throwing a dead animal with a shovel in a few episodes. That sounds more gruesome than it is but it's road kill. And as well as I think is your quarterback arm on display at all in this.

Hayes MacArthur:
I love how the writers actually have Ro hanging out. They listen to different things and like Mary Elizabeth being trained in gymnastics for ten years. So they write that. It just becomes part of the life of the character and I think that's what really starts filling out the characters and makes them unique.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Christine Woods' amazing vocal abilities too they worked in maybe three or four times. We might be the new Glee because Christine is an amazing singer. And so she's gotten to sing a few times. And Mary Elizabeth has a great voice too. Dave Walton's an amazing golfer. His golf comes up. Yeah. So it's basically it's like battle of the network stars where we're just trying to show how athletic we are.

Question:
What makes your show stand out from the other NBC must see TV lineup?

Kyle Bornheimer:
I think we're taller. I think Dave and Hayes are taller than anyone else. Have you ever stood next to Alec Baldwin, Hayes?

Hayes MacArthur:
I haven't seen him. But I have a life size blow up poster in my room of him. And I stand next to him all the time.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I think we're taller and I think we have some good hair on the show. It is just fun to be on Thursday night on NBC. It's just an amazing night to be on. I mean when I was growing up, Thursday nights on NBC were special. But as far as what stands out, I think that's the night to be on for comedy. And I think NBC's had a lot of confidence in us in putting us on that night. And I think we have a flavor all our own and a great tone like I was talking about earlier. The sort of non-cynical approach but with an edge and with some sharp writers. Jon Pollack, you know, won Emmys on 30 Rock as a writer and Scott Silveri ran Friends and Andy Ackerman directed all the Seinfeld. So we have this kind of mix of fresh sensibilities. a

Hayes MacArthur:
Being among those shows is incredible and I call them like repeat viewing shows. On all those shows the jokes happen so quickly. When I re-watch those Thursday night shows, I find different nuances in other jokes. And I kind of feel that way about our show too. Like there's things that happen, you know, it's not like we're doing presentational comedy where we're telling you where to laugh. I mean you either get it and you're laughing at what we're doing or you're, you know, you have to re-watch the episode and find the different beats that we think is so funny. I think the Office does that really well; 30 Rock just it drops so many golden eggs as the episode goes. I think our pace in writing format's like that.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I was watching on a plane the other day. They had a bunch of NBC programming and the caliber of talent on NBC right now is pretty remarkable. And the creators behind this show come from NBC. And yeah, I think it's great. I think we have our own fresh take on the subject and it is our own sensibility. But we fit in, you know, hopefully quite nicely with the other programming on Thursday nights.

Question:
Hayes, Rex is quite the smooth talker. Do you feel that you pulled anything from yourself for that?

Hayes MacArthur:
It's so funny because I stumbled over some of Rex's lines so much. Some of those lines I think demand a quick delivery but there's a lot that has to be dropped. I tend to have to struggle and find my words a little bit more than Rex. But he's also a car salesman, so those kind of thoughts and sales techniques are really at the tip of his tongue.

Question:
Kyle, what about Dave really makes him stand out? What would you say his defining trait is?

Kyle Bornheimer:
Hopefully if people are patient with us, I will discover that. Because I'm still figuring out Dave which is why I think he's very similar to me because I haven't really figured out myself yet. I know he's graduating from his 20s to his 30s and it's going well but there's still a transition period. And he's in that kind of weird state that a lot of guys find themselves in right now of like being fully on in adulthood but living in a culture that's still sort of celebrates men acting like boys.

So we play a lot with that on the show about, you know, him wanting to dress more like mad men or, you know, you know, and that in conflict with, you know, his own kind of juvenile attitude about things. I think he's a healthy character. You know, there's not much, you know, that's in conflict with him, you know, except for some of the stuff that comes up with couples. And what's off then too is the amazing relationship with Vance, his best friend, played by David Walton that we figured out was kind of the fourth couple on the show. And maybe the most perfect couple. They have figured out really how to coexist together and once we discovered that, we were able to play around with their friendship and how, you know, and how it affects, you know, my marriage and how it affects the other couples. That was really fun to discover like not only the couple that my character is in in his marriage but it's the couple that he forms with his best friend.

Question:
It seems like you have a lot of fun during the show. What's the dynamic like off set? Does the cast hang out?

Kyle Bornheimer:
Quite a bit.

Hayes MacArthur:
We do.

Kyle Bornheimer:
When the show premiered a few weeks ago, we got together which was about the fifth time in the last month that we'd gotten together. We just find an excuse. And we got together with our creators and the cast and watched the show together. And Olivia Munn was in New York shooting a film and we actually had her skyped in and was sitting next to us on the couch. Her kind of disembodied head just sort of watching it with us because we all wanted to be together. It was like Max Headroom from the 80s.

Question:
Do you two have any upcoming projects you'd like to share?

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yes. We have Perfect Couples Live on Ice.

I have a DVD coming out. I think it might be coming out today actually, You Again. And then just Perfect Couples just excited to share.

Hayes MacArthur:
We both have the DVD. I was in this moving that's coming out on DVD as well, Life as we Know It, with Katherine Heigl and Josh Duhamel. I think both of our movies were released in the same weekend.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yeah. We're in competition. It's pretty cut throat over here.

Hayes MacArthur:
The movies are in competition in the show where we're together.

Kyle Bornheimer:
We should use that to our advantage just to try to increase sales. I'm not smart enough at marketing to know how to do that though.

Question:
How intense was the casting process? How did you get the roles?

Hayes MacArthur:
Well, yeah. I, you know, around this time every year three's a lot of material that goes out when people are deciding what shows to make. And when I read the script for Perfect Couples and I knew both of the writers behind it, I knew their work, so going in to meet with them, I just thought was just like so much fun and was an incredible treat because I was reading more traditional stuff. Stuff that I had seen before.

And when I saw this genuine take on relationships and how you have all these different characters who are really coming from a good place but the results might not always reflect that, I thought that was a great engine for comedy. And I went in and I met with Scott and Jon and I found out that my friend Dave Walton who I'd know before was doing the show. And I just got it. I just was excited about the whole process. And when they told me that Andy Ackerman was directing the episodes, I couldn't wait to join. And having Kyle, and I'll let him tell the story how he got involved with the show, that was really the icing on the cake.

Kyle Bornheimer:
And mine was one of those great things where something keeps popping up in your life like so, you know, telling you, you know, this is the one. Don't, you know, this is not to be avoided. Because I was tied up in another project about the time that they were casting this so I wasn't available. I didn't want to fall in love with anything that I couldn't do. So I was kind of putting off anything that was coming my way because I was tied up and there was really a good chance I wasn't going to be able to do it. And then a lots of different weird things happened that kept kind of pushing it away.

You know, the one project went away but another one came up that I was obligated to. And they cast another incredibly good actor in the role and, you know, but then that guy was tied up in something else. So it was a very weird, you know, the whole bit. Only, you know, pilot season in television works in these weird ways. But this thing kept on announcing itself to me. It kept on, you know, whenever there would be an opening, whenever like any of these things I was tied to would go away, this thing was still available. And I finally read it and was like, oh I can't believe I haven't read this until now. This is something that could have gotten away from me.

And fell in love with it and met Jon and Scott, the creators and fell in love with them instantly. And it was a no-brainer. I mean I wanted to read for them so that they knew that they, you know, that we were all on the same page with it. We had a dinner where we were just talking about where - with the direction of the show and they didn't have to sell me on it too much at all. They just had to say, you know, I knew right away that what this show was going to be about and how it was going to feel and look. It was arduous and long and there was some difficult decisions to be made but in terms of the material and working on it and once I read it, it was kind of easy. It was an easy choice.

And there's all these other components. Hayes was involved. And it was like, you know, it was, you know, I had worked with Hayes before. We had become friends. We loved working together. There was nothing about it that was, you know, I had to really be concerned with. And it was - and also just loved the - I just loved the tone of script. It was edgy but it was also not, you know, unknowingly cynical. It was - it had an innocence to it but also intelligent. And the pedigree behind the creators and directors certainly made me hopeful as well.

Question:
Do you feel pressure from NBC?

Hayes MacArthur:
Well those guys make it so fun that you don't really feel the pressure I guess. You know, the writing comes in. We get excited about the writing and then, you know, we all get to contribute our little gags and things we want to do to the show and it feels more of that type of thing than anything that we have to perform or any pressure in that regard.

Kyle Bornheimer:
We're all in kind of similar places, you know, not to overstate it in our lives and careers. And enough of us have worked with each other enough it was like there was no way for us to screw it up because we we're all hungry. We're all like, you know, get inspired by each other. And like we come to work and I've joked around about like how fun it is at work and that we're unprofessional because we like to laugh around, you know, joke around so much.

But, you know, that's true to a certain extent but it's also like we come to work because we have some great ideas we want to share with each other and bounce off of each other. It was a wonderful lab in the sort of bubble, we were just kind of locked in this set, you know, and the writers were locked in their writer's room for 13 weeks.

And, you know, we didn't have to perform for any ratings because we weren't on air yet. So we could just sort of be in this brain trust of people and bounce off ideas and have fun with it. And everyone wanted to be great. Everyone wanted to be excellent. And when your scene partner wants to be excellent, that makes you excellent and it's fun to work that way when everyone's hungry to do something special.

Question:
Besides Bob Newhart, which other sitcom stars did you guys grow up loving?

Hayes MacArthur:
I loved the cast of Cheers and Taxi. I thought the way those guys all played off each other and just kind of the different point of views that they were all coming from and they way the meshed were two shows that really inspired me.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yeah. And MASH was on a lot in my house as I was growing up well and Alan Alda and really that entire cast, even when they changed I always thought was really sharp. And like I said, Newhart, yeah of course Cheers. You know, and then into Seinfeld. And, you know, Lucy. I loved Lucille Ball. I loved Mary Tyler Moore.

Hayes MacArthur:
Family Ties was so incredible to watch growing up.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Bill Cosby is like, you know, those shows have aged really well. You know, whenever I watch the Cosby show again, Bill Cosby was kind of a master because he did sitcoms in his own way. He almost broke the fourth law when he would do that. But in a really good way. He was one of the first to put kind of his standup onto television. And those shows were rockets. They were like parties. I mean when you hear the audiences laughing in those sitcoms, they were, you know, it's like a big party they're having.

Question:
Have you been in any shows that you've taken a show that you shouldn't have?

Hayes MacArthur:
Well I've been on stuff that, you know, there's so many things that are literally out of your control as an actor. I've been a part of stuff that I know was really great and was really fun and had incredible people behind it and it just didn't find the life that I had hoped it would of after I was involved with it. And, you know, that's kind of part of the business. It's literally heartbreaking when it happens. But that's kind of what the picking yourself up and dusting off is all about.

Kyle Bornheimer:
There are so many moving parts to putting on a television production or putting on a movie. I'm amazed when I see good stuff. I'm less surprised when I see something that doesn't go together because it's an incredibly hard art form and craft. And, you know, a songwriter that's hard too but you own a, you know, you own an instrument. A, you know, all these other crafts; a painter, it's them and a canvas. For a movie or a television show, there are, you know, 60, 70, 80 people and different elements and departments. And, you know, to make it come together can be quite difficult.

I'm always amazed. I become sometimes easily amused when I'm like, you know, I can watch anything from any corner of the world put together. And I'm like oh my God, they edited those two shots together. That's pretty amazing. I'm always impressed by the craft that goes into stuff. So it can be hard and from the time of being a little nugget of an idea in the writer's head to presenting it to the world on TV or on a big screen, there's a lot of hoops that you have to go through. And I'm always impressed, you know, even the ones that don't work out as well, you know, I usually have a very positive experience on it.

Question:
Do you see this as a standout show from the other midseason shows? If you weren't in it, why would you watch it?

Hayes MacArthur:
Well I watch, which is really nice to be able to watch something and enjoy it as a fan is something that is - I mean any actor would just be thrilled to be able to do that. But then to have your friends call you and text you about what their favorite lines were and the situations, that is just like makes me so happy.

But I think I would watch it because you do see those kernels of - those truth - the things that happen in relationships that you really relate to and the way each couple deals with it. You know, whether - no one is exactly like a Rex and Leigh or like a Vance and Amy or a Dave and Julia. But there are parts of every couple in all of our characters. And I think I would, you know, I watch these shows to really relate to those premises.

Kyle Bornheimer:
Yeah. I think what's funny, yeah - I mean if it tickles your funny bone, you keep watching them. Yeah. I think we're funny. Also what I realize is if you do a show with a big cast, you can watch episodes as if you've never seen them before because there's plenty of scenes that were shot without you.

Kyle Bornheimer:
And so that's why I've been loving, you know, watching these episodes because there's, you know, a big percentage of it I haven't seen yet because I wasn't there the day they were shooting.

Hayes MacArthur:
Or even like if we're in the same scene together and, you know, I might have my back to another actor while they're doing their take, their line, and then I see the moment that the editors and the writers choose. And you just like oh my God, that's a whole new joke that I was there shooting the scene with this person and I didn't pick up on the day but I get to see it and I enjoy it. It's so fun.

Kyle Bornheimer:
We're really lucky. We get the best of both worlds. We get to be right in it and then we kind of get to remove ourselves and see it fresh new. It's a lucky position to be in.

Question:
How you two are sort of balancing the new babies and the new show?

Kyle Bornheimer:
Poorly. Not well.

Hayes MacArthur:
I take my notes from Kyle because when we were doing Worst Week a couple years ago, he began production starting Worst Week with a newborn, his first. And, you know, he would work 15, 16 hour days on that. And then the beginning of this year he had a newborn; another one, a second one.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I need a lot of attention when I come on set.

Hayes MacArthur:
I said, "How do you do this" because I knew I had one coming while we were filming as well. And so I've been picking the brains of those who have gone before me.

Kyle Bornheimer:
It was really fun to watch. It was like the last trimester was kind of while we were in production for Hayes. And so it was really fun seeing him get ready to be a dad. And it's exciting. I mean I always joke with Hayes that it's in some ways like if you, you know, to have like a job, you know, in this business when you like book a job, it's amazing. And so to have a baby and a job almost simplifies things in a weird way because you literally don't have to worry about any other things than that. All my charity work went out the window or maybe my one charity work. Okay, none of my charity work. At the very least I had a plan, you know, show, baby, show, baby.

Hayes MacArthur:
Right.

Kyle Bornheimer:
I didn't comb my hair for a year.

Question:
How are the babies doing? Any milestones lately?

Hayes MacArthur:
My son's doing incredible. It's just so fun to get excited about a burp is something that you actually feel like you've contributed. You really helped out a kid. It's like I helped you burp. You wouldn't have been able to do that on your own. And I assisted you. It's an awesome thing to feel as a dad.

Kyle Bornheimer:
It really is great. Yeah, I realized today that I have keep a little closer attention to my four month old, his nails, because he gave himself a few cuts last night in bed and he woke up looking like Mark Wahlberg in The Fighter. I thought he was like fighting in his sleep or something. So cutting nails is incredibly hard on a four month old. But I did it. I did pretty well.

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