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Interviewby Pattye Grippo    

This is an interview from September 16, 2010 with Eddie McClintock and Saul Rubinek from Warehouse 13.

Waehouse 13

Question:
It seems like there is a lot of fun and joking that goes on at the set between everybody. Does anybody ever pull pranks or do anything to cause trouble and laughter? And can you talk about that?

Eddie McClintock:
I'll let you answer that Saul.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes because he's guilty as charged. We all like each other which is a relief since we've signed a long term contract because God, it could have been hell. But we all really like each other. We've become a family which is kind of cliche for shows. That are series - that are for months and months together. But, we're really not doing a clear comedy or a clear drama. We are walking a tight rope. And between the two, as a result we do joke around a lot. And some of what we do to joke around ends up on the screen every week. And it's a balancing act, some times we learn from our mistakes that some times we go too far in one direction or another.

But we have a good time. Jack Kenny who is our wonderful show runner and head writer of the series comes out of a situation comedy series. And end drama as well, not with a huge experience and in fact with no experience before this on science fiction or fantasy adventure for that matter. But what he has been able to do is provide a, kind of a family feeling and - for the show. And that's what he writes towards. And he is luckily there a lot which mean - and he's one of the funniest people I've ever met. He was an actor before he was a writer. And he encourages us to make light of stuff when everything gets a little bit too tense or heavy, right?

Eddie McClintock:
Yes. I think what we try and do is, you know, you've got to try and have a good time when you're working 15 hours a day for five days a week. And, I think it really sets the tone for the feeling of what's going on, on the set in general. I mean we know that we've got to get our work done. And I think we get our work done but we definitely try and keep it light and keep things from getting too tense on set.

Just because the, you know, by proxy the show, it can be tense because you're under a lot of pressure to get things done. And so - and I think it helps for when guest stars - guest casts come and they realize that it's nice and easy on the set. And they can relax and be themselves and have fun.

Saul Rubinek:
We've heard a lot of comments. We've been to Comic Con, we were just at Dragon Con in Atlanta, and Comic Con was in San Diego. We've been interviewed a lot. And the thing that - certainly coming from the fans is, do you guys have as much fun on the set as it looks like you're having? And that - we're really glad that that comes across. Yes, it's a hard thing to manufacture week after week after week. But we certainly have a good time. And the shows that I like on television you get that feeling from the people doing it.

Question:
How do you feel about the season now that it is done, or about to be done?

Eddie McClintock:
Well I, God I am really proud of it. I am really proud of, this weeks show I just thought was fantastic. There were some - some moments where Pete was kind of cracking jokes and stuff during the show. And they didn't end up in the edit and I was okay with that. You know, because I thought that totally the show just really worked. And I loved the fact that the people who are making the show know when Pete should be funny and when he shouldn't be funny. I mean for me, I am such a laugh whore that I will always go for the joke. Thank God that there is somebody there that will go, you know what? We don't need it here. And it speaks a lot about the people behind the camera that are making the show.

It shows how smart they are. And I think for a second season, you know, my - it's my first second season after thirteen, fourteen years as an actor. And I couldn't be happier. I couldn't be more proud. Syfy has turned out to be an incredibly classy operation. I am out here in London right now and Syfy UK and Syfy France has again, shown themselves to be incredibly well put together. And I am proud of my network and proud of my show.

Saul Rubinek:
It's a really good second season. The writers had quite an interesting and daunting task after creating a show that turned out to be the most successful series audience wise in the history of the network. And now you have to follow it up. And one of the things that they had created which was very smart in the first season was to have an arch with a nemesis which was played by Roger Rees. A brilliant actor and great multidimensional character and that provided a kind of a back bone to the show. That they continued this year with a very imaginative idea of cast Jaime Murray as H2 House. And my wife for example who does not want to know what happens. Does not want to, is intrigued. And my friends who are watching the show who also have asked me not to give away stuff.

They want to know how it ends. There is a lot of controversy about whether this is an evil character or not and how it worked out and why Artie is against her and whether that was. All of that stuff that they created at the beginning of their writing session last fall when they were mapping the show out has come - brought a lot of fruit. And one of the things that I really like is that they've continued to explore the history of the place because one of the things I am - most enjoy about the show is the mythology that they've created about the warehouse. So that you go to Syfy.com and you can look up - with a little bit of search you can find out something about the history of what the other twelve warehouses - where the other twelve warehouses were.

And at what time period and the stories themselves have dealt with that mythology in one way or another. So while we're still artifact hunting and there's adventures to be had simply by the fun of an artifact can do. At the same time they've created an overriding arch for each season so far. That has given the show a little bit more depth than it might otherwise have had. And I am really proud of that. I am really proud that they've done that. They've kept the characters and the relationships very close to their hearts. So that we all care about each other, the stakes get higher and higher for us. And in all good series you will see I think the common - most good series you will see a common denominator like that.

That the characters care - if the characters don't care about each other the audience won't. And there's a continuing depth to the relationship and the stakes for the characters. So they're working on a lot of levels as writers. And the writers, you know, all come to see their episodes filmed to Toronto from Los Angeles. And they really love doing the show. That's a very happy group of people. And as Eddie was saying, it's unusual in anyone's career that you're the number one show of a network. And it is a wonderful thing to see how NBC Universal executives who come and visit us who become our friends. And the people who are responsible for the show, and how Syfy has supported it.

I certainly in a very long career have never been a part of anything that has been - where I've been one of the stars of the show. I mean I was - years ago I was a recurring character on Frasier. An example of one of the most successful shows in history but it wasn't my show the way this is with our group. So I am really thrilled with it. I couldn't be happier.

Question:
Is there an artifact you guys are waiting to play with?

Saul Rubinek:
We've been asked this question a lot. About what our favorite artifacts are, we've gone to panels and is there an artifact that you would really like to see? And we make jokes, I think, somebody - was it my son I think who came up with the idea? Says an artifact that would be incredible - that would really frustrate you almost to the point of death. And I said, what would that be? And he said, the last straw. And...

Eddie McClintock:
And then you can have the scene where Pete says, well that's not the last straw that's the straw that broke the camel's back.

Saul Rubinek:
Oh right. Don't touch that one. We have fun. The writers do also throw away really funny things in episode where - don't touch that, that's the original can of worms. Don't open that. There is little jokes throughout the thing about artifacts and what they can do. But for the most part what they're - what I like is that the artifacts have to do with actual historical truths and fact.

So there are extrapolations and imaginative extrapolations about what actually existed in history. That these artifacts are imbued with the power because of the context within which they were created. They - a part of the Titanic or toequmada chain. So there is a way - I love that. I love that about this show. So there are things that we have fun with, artifact wise. But the truth is the most fun for us is we get a script about ten days before maybe - yes, about ten days before we go into shooting it. And we have a reading of the script and because of our busy schedule it's very often the first chance we've had to read it. And it's a page tuner for us, you know? It's really fun to get surprised about what the artifacts are going to be and what the adventures are going to be.

Question:
In the last episode we almost saw Claudia take Ms. Fredric's place. How do you guys think she would do as caretaker?

Eddie McClintock:
I think she'd have the Sex Pistols blasting over the intercom and the warehouse. And we would all have to get matching pink hair strips which I am not sure I would go for.

Saul Rubinek:
I think it's really cool. It's a really interesting idea that there is a caretaker. And it was certainly a surprise to CCH Pounder, when the script came up because it wasn't part of the back story. It was something that the writers had concocted as part of the arch in the show. That when Warehouse 2 woke up it would look for its caretaker and it would be gone.

And all of this information would get downloaded. I know it was an interesting concept that the caretakers job is in a way to be a giant database, you know? I mean that's kind of what they were saying is that the caretaker knows everything that is in the warehouse. I mean Artie certainly doesn't. He's got a computer. He knows some of the things that are in the warehouse. But how would you know these things have been collecting for 3000 years?

So each warehouse has its own receptacle in the mind of a certain person. I like the idea. Claudia for some reason they chose - it was obvious to the regions that - I guess, that Claudia would be the right person for that. Not Myka, not Pete, not Artie, not anyone else. That she was the right person to be that.

Question:
Warehouse 13 is such an effects based show. Do you guys have to do a lot of green screen work and do you find that challenging?

Saul Rubinek:
We call it schmacting as in acting schmacting. That's our phrase for it. We call it schmacting. We've got to do some schmacting. Early morning schmacting. Schmacting early in the morning. There is a fair amount of green screen. Not as much as there was on this last episode which was - 80% of it was shot in the studio. That was all green.

Eddie McClintock:
And that can be pretty scary. Especially when there is so much schmacting going on. You just have to go, God I hope that this doesn't look like, a purple pterodactyl. You just have to trust that these effects guys will not make you look like a fool. You don't want to look like you're on the original Land of the Lost, you know? And playing with the - a rubber chicken. But, watching this week's show I think for me this week's show was kind of the real acid test for our effects guys, for our visual effects guys. And I thought they did an amazing job. I was really happy with the way things turned out. The interior of Warehouse 2, really fantastic. The medusa was great. And I was really pleased.

So it can be difficult to - when it's that heavily laden with artifacts - or with artifacts - or with effects. But normally it's not too bad. It may seem like a heavily, visually effected show but it's generally - not too bad.

Saul Rubinek:
No we don't have to do too much of it. Sometimes it's laden in the background to create depth. And I mean the show like we did where it was that heavy and the entire set was green screen is very rare for our show. Bits and pieces of the warehouse are created that way. The exterior of the warehouse we have, some of it is physically there. And obviously some of it is not. So that is a normal thing. But, it doesn't feel that way. I mean I have done - obviously more shows that are not like that in my career. And it doesn't feel like that. It doesn't feel like we're going on to green screen, oh my God another green screen day. It's in smaller proportions. And they're trying to be effective with it. Some of the most effecting stuff that we do is just, you know, really good scenes between two or three people without any effects whatsoever.

And they are good at mixing it up. They're smart enough to know that we're not going to compete with $200 million movies. The audience is very sophisticated right now. People who are blogging and writing about the show can be very pick about special effects because of how much money is being spent on special effects on big screen stuff. So it would be crazy for a television show, whether network or cable, to try to compete with it. It's in the right doses, you know? Anymore and you'd start to cheated I think.

Question:
What are your guys' plans for this break?

Eddie McClintock:
Right now I am in London. I've been in London and over in Paris doing press for the release of season two in the UK and in France. And, I am just going to spend some time with my sons. And hopefully do a couple - I just did a guest spot on a new NBC Universal show called Fairly Legal with Sarah Shahi. And yes, Saul and I are also trying to - we're kind of working on a movie that Saul is going to write and direct. And - or he co-wrote and he is going to hopefully direct. And so that's kind of on the back burners for us.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes. We're trying to work on putting that together. That's basically a low budget independent film that we'd like to do within the next year or so. So I finished writing it just this summer. And so we're working on that. But I have a number of other projects that I'd written or co-wrote or producing because I've directed four features now. And I work with my partner, my wife Eleanor Reed. And we have a number of projects that we've developed and they are in different stages in development. So I do spend a portion of my off time working on those projects and trying to bring them to permission along with them. You know, doing other projects and do movies.

I did two or three movies in my off season last year. And there are a couple of things heating up now too. So I try and stay busy but my kids are older than Eddie's. So it's not as intensive as it is when they're - when, you know, his are under five. And my daughter is in college, in her second year of college. And my son is in his second year of high school. And so it's not as intense with children and I have a little bit more time to my own projects that way.

Eddie McClintock:
I designed these t-shirts. I was an art major in college and continue to work on my art. And I designed these t-shirts for the crew this year.

Saul Rubinek:
Oh they're beautiful.

Eddie McClintock:
And I have decided to do a series of t-shirts for NBC Universal for Warehouse 13. And so I've been working on those designs and really having a good time trying to figure out what the people are going to like. And I am going to do a steam punk version. And I think there will be about four or five different versions of the shirt. So I have been kind of needling around with that. And hopefully within the next couple of weeks people will be able to go to the - go to the Syfy site or go to www.Eddie McClintock.com and check them out. See how I plugged that in there?

Saul Rubinek:
You do, very clever.

Eddie McClintock:
Thank you.

Question:
Guest stars really are playing such an important part in so many different story lines. When you see a guest star you sort of put a clock on them because you figure, you know, they're only going to be around for so long. They're only going to have, you know, so much of an impact. But with your show - Allison was a guest star and you made her a cast member. So I guess we never know with your show. I am wondering what did you like about working with Paula and Jaime and Lindsay and what can you tell us about their involvement in the next season?

Saul Rubinek:
It's collected - wonderful actors. And as the show is getting good reviews from you guys and getting such a large audience becomes easier for the network the studio to attract top level guest stars because they want to be on the show. And that's just the way the world, that's the way it is for a successful show and it's great for us. And not only that, as you were saying you're not really sure whether somebody is going to be there for a while or just for one show.

We are collecting people that have something to do with the warehouse that are - I guess we're getting a little - our own little extended rep company of actors. And they have been wonderful. In the Christmas show, Judd Hirsch for example plays Artie's dad. And so there - you can see that there is a possibility for a life for the characters. Certainly there is a love interest between, you know, some kind of whom romance going on between Lindsay's character and Artie. And you can see - and she's the doctor for the regions who find out. And it - I love the fact that there's an extended group of people of wonderful actors that, you know, may take a recurring place in the show. But we're not really sure, are we Eddie? Whose is coming back or who not, you know?

Eddie McClintock:
Yes. It's always nice to see them back because you make friends with them. And I mean when I met Jaime Murray she walked on the set and we shook hands and met. And the fifteen minutes later we were making out. So it's like, okay odd. But luckily, Jaime's a great lady and very professional and a great actress. So it's good to have them. Same can be said for Paula Garces, you know?

Saul Rubinek:
There are nice surprises in the people that show up. You know, we don't know.

Eddie McClintock:
Yes, yes. And it's always good that they can walk and talk. For instance the young guy Cody Rhodes who came from the WWE. I thought he did an amazing job, you know, he's...

Saul Rubinek:
It's his first acting job.

Eddie McClintock:
Yes. When the camera gets in front of your face and it turns around and they go, okay it is your turn. It's your shot, it's your close up. You know the pucker factor can go way, way up. It's a lot of pressure. And the camera is looking right at you. It's a giant eyeball and it's always looking to see if you're lying. And - so to have guest casts come on and do so confident jobs is - it's good for us and good for them.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes there's nice surprises. Roberta Maxwell came on the show last year as an agent who worked in Warehouse 13, 35 years ago or 40 years ago. And it was somebody - it was a Canadian actress that I hadn't seen since I was 19, 20 years old when she was a member of the company at Stratford Ontario. And it was wonderful to see her and we didn't expect - and suddenly she shows up again in a very moving episode that was on a couple weeks ago.

That took place in the 60's and she came back, we didn't know that she was going to. And it's always nice so, you know, by collecting wonderful actors it gives impetus to the writers to say, is there a way to bring that person back because great guest stars bring something that's indefinable to the writing. It happens with all really good actors. It's one thing to have a wonderful script and the opportunity as a spring board.

But then when these actors come like what happened with Judd Hirsch or what happened with Lindsay Wagner. All of these people, they've brought them to life in a way that's unexpected. And so - then it reciprocates by having the writers again go wow, we have to do something more with them. And I think you guys are the beneficiary of that. It's not a predictable show. We don't know. I guess that's what is really cool about it. You said it in your question, you don't know. Are these guys going to stay around? Is this a regular? Is this going to become a regular character? We don't know. If you take a look at an episode back when there was a super hero episode or you take a look at the episode that took place, you know, in Russia.

Where Artie is kidnapped, I mean there - it could be - like they're episodes from two completely different series. The tone, the way they're shot, the way the script is written. Yes they have in common the fact that we're going after an artifact but they have kept this show, I think they've kept our audience on their toes. You don't really know what to expect from this show from week to week. We don't as actors. I don't know how actors do it who are on - even good procedurals where it's one thing to watch them, it's another thing to do them. You're making a living. It's great. You're - it's always good to be a working actor. But, you know, it could get a little tiring saying the same lines week after week in a procedural. We are working...

Eddie McClintock:
Book them Dano.

Saul Rubinek:
Book - yes but, we don't know what we're going to do from week to week. It's completely different we have an opportunity to play with the genres in a way. They're different it's like doing different series every week sometimes, you know?

Eddie McClintock:
People online are upset because we killed Vulda. But what people need to realize and I think some people do. It's like you're never really dead in Syfy. You know, there is always...

Saul Rubinek:
Anything can happen.

Eddie McClintock:
Some artifact that can - or some crazy thing that can bring you back to life. So, you're never dead until you are dead.

Question:
Saul, it looks like Artie was right all along about HG. And it looks like we're finally going to get see the rest of the MacPherson plot line reveal itself. When we spoke to CCH Pounder she is a kid that the MacPherson plot line will likely continue into the third season of Warehouse 13. And since we're just starting to see the Egyptian roots of the warehouse in these two episode of this season, what can you tell us about the Egyptians symbology behind the regions with the eye of horrors and the MacPherson plot line? And how will Artie play a role in all of this?

Saul Rubinek:
Well I can't tell you too much without spoiling stuff. What I can tell, you know, it's hard to - I don't want to give away anything. But I may - it looks like Artie is right but maybe not. There are always going to be surprises. I can give that away. So that whatever you expect is going to happen, you will find that there is a twist on it. But as far as far as the Egyptian symbology and all of that, they do a lot research. They have fun doing research. It's almost like they have a - it's hilarious. It's like their own dorm over there, the writers, and their own study group. And they really go into it. And they really get off on it, you know? I mean I remember at one point I heard that Artie goes into the old - what is called? The old relics room where he is trying to match the photograph of the kid in front of the symbols with scrolls. And my son Sam was working as an intern in the art department and helping out making stuff this summer.

And he told me that the guy who is actually creating the ancient scroll and was doing everything vertically. And the designer came in and said - and he had been working on it for an entire day or two. Intricately creating these symbols based on real symbols. And the designer said it's all beautiful except they have to be horizontal.

And he just looked at him. And to save themselves they had to go, well is there any way that maybe it could be interesting - they went to the director. What if I went to the director and said, maybe Artie has to turn it because it's not what he expects. And then the direction designer said, yes. You can tell him that - he's Italian, you can suggest that but you can not tell him because you made a mistake. So the director said, do you think it might be interesting that it's vertical and it's kind - Artie has to turn the picture around? And he went, oh yes sure that's a good idea. Saving him, two whole days of work. So they do spend a lot of time on these symbols. And on all of the stuff that they do.

They art department is certainly one of the best in - after 35 years of working on this - on television and film. I've never seen a more meticulous and a more dedicated and more imaginative group of people. They kind of away from us, because we get to see the results on set. But because my son was interning in the department and I went to visit him quite often I could see. And he told me stories about what they did and the kind of research that they do. And I am so impressed. I think it is the secret weapon of our show, is production design and the art department and the props.

It's a prop show and I think it's the stuff that's talked about least in all of the stuff that I have read. The writing the acting, the premise of the show, guest stars. All of that stuff is talked about a lot; even the music has been honored with an Emmy nomination. But for - and all of that stuff is wonderful and deserves all of its accolades. But I have to tell you that for me I really believe that key - major key to the success of this show is the dedication and brilliance of the production design in the art department.

Eddie McClintock:
And the accounting department.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes and the accounting department.

Eddie McClintock:
Want to be best accounting departments in the business.

Saul Rubinek:
Enough said.

Question:
Eddie, in season one Pete and Myka were still getting their sea leg) and being agents as well being partners. In this season the two characters have more of like a strong sibling like bond. And might I add that I am so glad that the writers didn't take you guys down like a romantic route with each other. But what do you think is the key to Pete and Myka's survival as warehouse agents?

Eddie McClintock:
Yes. I mean I think, I am glad the writers didn't go down that path as well. And I don't think that - I mean Joanne and I would have definitely lobbied against that if they had thought that that would be a way to go because I think it's always been the thought that as soon as the main actors get together the show is basically over. The audience wants to see the two actors get together. But I think once they do get together then they move on to the next show where the two leads are not together. So I am glad that they didn't go down that road. What will it take to keep them, you know, that their friendship is just going to continue to grow.

And so just like my relationship with Joanne continues to develop and grow, their relationship will do the same as long as they continue to have respect for one another. And their job, I think there is a chance that they can be around the warehouse for a while. And I am not sure exactly what is going to happen. In last weeks episode, Pete and Myka get the - they get shot by the - we don't know what that was. So like Saul said, a lot of times we don't know what's coming out in the script before it comes out. So they kind of left it open in this two parter. So I am not sure exactly what is going to happen.

Saul Rubinek:
That would be very surprising I think. I think it will be interesting next week.

Question:
In the season finale, do Pete and Myka begin in Egypt still? And then does the plot line of the finale, does it extend into the Christmas episode or are they - is the Christmas episode kind of stand alone? And, you know, season two kind of end? Or is there more a cliff hanger?

Saul Rubinek:
First of all the Christmas episode absolutely is a stand alone episode. It was to be set apart from anything to do with what was going in the season. And I think that there is a disclaimer that - what does it...

Eddie McClintock:
Long ago in a...

Saul Rubinek:
Or once upon a time in Warehouse 13 is how it starts.

Eddie McClintock:
I thought it was long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

Saul Rubinek:
Well I don't know how to put this without giving stuff away. I know you really want to know. It's going - it's a two part series so that they have left with a cliff hanger. They've got to pretty much start with where they left off. That is not going to be revealing too much. To say yes, they are going to be - we are going - it is going to be resolved in a way that is intriguing, surprising and mystifying. One of the great phrases about how endings should work. There is a wonderful cliche about what a great ending is. A great ending is both surprising and inevitable. And I think that the writers have managed to do that.

Eddie McClintock:
I don't even remember how it ends.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes. But that is a function of your particular brain.

Eddie McClintock:
Ah.

Saul Rubinek:
There you go.

Question:
Eddie, what's the preoccupation with food? Is that an Eddie thing or is that a Pete thing?

Eddie McClintock:
Yes. Well yes, I would say that's a Pete thing, Eddie thing, everybody thing. I mean as we get older we tend to monitor our food intake a little bit more closely. But, I think it just goes along with who Pete is, you know? He relates a lot of, you know, he romanticizes - like pancakes remind him of when he was a kid. And cookies remind him of when he was a kid. You know, maybe we will find out why he loves cookies so much. And, again I think it really goes back to the fact that he kind of lives in this world of arrested development. He is an adolescent boy trapped in a competent man's body. And so maybe that is it. But hopefully it will be - more will be explained in season three.

Saul Rubinek:
I like to think, you know, I mean I am - told you this before Eddie. But my impression of Pete is that by becoming - by going into the warehouse. Like if you could actually see him as an agent - as an FBI agent the year before he became an agent for Warehouse 13, that you might see a slightly different Pete.

Eddie McClintock:
Oh yes. For sure.

Saul Rubinek:
I think that coming into this particular world, it kind of opens up that child like side of him which is one of the reasons that he was brought on by the regions is that he had these qualities that were innate in him that. That would help him - that child like side of him which can be so annoying to people who run a serious mission is also the side of him that may be able to intuit of things that other agents may not be able to that side of their brains were not as open as his is. And I think the warehouse, the artifacts, the wonder of the place opened that character up. It would be interesting to go back in time and take a look at him as an FBI agent. Where I think he would have been much more constrained, you know?

Eddie McClintock:
Yes and people don't know this. But before he came to the warehouse he was actually black.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes. So that was a whole other part of his personality.

Question:Eddie McClintock:
Well yes. But the romantic relationships on Warehouse 13 are kind of the warehouses' version of red shirts almost it seems like. You know, you - they probably aren't going to be around too long because of the nature of, you know, the warehouse, the danger that the warehouse presents and, I hope that that's not the case because it would be nice to see Pete find somebody and settle down. I think that's part of his inner empty space is he really wants to find somebody to care about. So I don't know. Maybe Pete will end up with Lindsay Wagner's character.

Saul Rubinek:
Not a chance. It's a very dangerous part of the - interesting part of the show, eccentric part of the show because all of the characters have trouble that way. And I think the writers are enjoying that. They're enjoying the fact that, listen if a place like this actually existed and people had to do what they had to do. You'd find it hard to hold on to anything.

Like one of the keys there is that - one of the most fun shows that Eddie and I had to do was when we were alone in the warehouse - or the women went off to, do their mission. And I am trying to talk to Pete's character but he is trying to tell me that I should loosen up but he is trying to tell me that I should loosen up. And I should try to ask Lindsay's character out and I am letting him know that he's afraid of the same thing that happened to me.

He is afraid that he might end up - what happened to Artie was that he didn't really have a life. He didn't have marriage or children. He gave a lot to warehouse of his life. And Pete some how in the back of his mind is worried about it and Artie is saying you can have more than me. And Pete says he'll be honored to have a life like Artie's but at the same time I think it is a fear. And I think that it is part of what they're going to continue with in the shows.

You don't want to have characters on a regular series that don't go through the things that people go through which is what do you want out of your life aside from your work. And your - it's important and yes, it's a magical and it's a fantastical world but you get tired of it if the characters also didn't long for the same things that the viewers long for which is love in their life. And meaning to their life and what are the impediments - what are the impediments to that?

That's the stuff of all great drama from the beginning of time is how the writers portray that longing and how they deal with the conflicts on the impediments to that longing being fulfilled. And I think that that is fonder for all great drama comedy for that matter. So it is going to be ongoing and it will always, I suspect, have resolutions that are not all together satisfying. Unless you're contemplating, you know, something like a series finale, you know, rather than a season finale.

Question:
Are you guys science fiction fans? Are there people on the set that are? Is this a specific attempt to draw Syfy people as well as people who don't consider themselves science fiction people?

Eddie McClintock:
Well I think that that was part of the tactic by Syfy last year when they did the re-brand. You know, I think they realized that it's always better to broaden your demographic as a network. So - and we happen to be the kind of, you know, the premiere show to illustrate that broadening of their demographic. I mean they wanted to make - to let people know that the Syfy channel was girl friendly.

I mean Warehouse 13 has attracted more female viewers than any other show in its 17 year history. And I think that they did a great job in illustrating that this particular show is not just for guys and not just for Syfy fans. And I think that they've set the stage for shows - for their shows that are now starting to come on. You know, that the Syfy channel is not about aliens and space necessarily but that there are other things involved. And, you know, as far as like it - was that our personal intention? I can't speak to that because, you know, I think that's more of a writer thing. But again, I mean I love the fact that there are still science fiction elements to the show but it is not heavily dependent upon those elements.

Saul Rubinek:
I have always been a science fiction fan but I like a lot of genres. I mean non fiction, I read fantasy adventure, I read mysteries and I just love to read. And great - and I love movies and TV. So I - if it is good I like it. I am not going to be attracted to something because of its genre alone. I don't think, I will get tired of it if it's not going to engage me. And Eddie is dead on. This is a perfect confluence and stars were aligned because they wanted the stars to be aligned. And then they got lucky. There is a certain amount of luck involved. You can design all you like or everybody would have a hit show every year whenever the network and studios decided that they wanted one. It's not a cynical operation. It's a calculated operation. It's why they re-branded the network and called it Syfy instead of science fiction.

And they wanted to broaden it. We were there - the show that they were testing it on and it worked. But in order to that you can't just make a decision. Now you've got to make some choices. I mean what a wonderful counter intuitive choice they made to bring Jack Kenny on as head writer and show writer who flatly said to them when he was interviewed for the job. That he would hire people who knew about fantasy adventure and science fiction. He was going to bring comedy and drama and family to the show. And that's what he told them was going to make a hit show and he was right. And they agreed, you know. So, yes we're luck that it is working out so far.

Question:
If you were to press play on your iPod, what's the most embarrassing song that could come up on shuffle?

Eddie McClintock:
I like big butts. Truth of the matter is I do like big butts. I am not going to get in to that right now. So let's move on.

Question:
Do you have a lot of influence as far as music that you would like to see on the show?

Eddie McClintock:
Oh do I have influence in regards to the music that - yes. They've been nice enough to let me have - to let me weigh in. I got my friend Maynard's band Pussifer. I've gotten his music on the show. You know, I plan on getting Ashes Divide on the show next year. My friend's band The Kidney Thieves were also featured on the show. So yes, I have - they really have been nice to me in that regard and let me have some input. So hopefully, you know, we will see more good bands, friends of mine that are trying to get their music out there on the show.

Question:
Eddie, during this season you and Myka switched bodies. Did you have fun playing Myka?

Eddie McClintock:
I had a really great time. You know, it's a fine line, I don't want to insult anyone. I didn't want to embarrass Joanne by exposing her little idiosyncratic emotions that she has when she - or things that she does when she is working. So Joanne was very, very sweet and was really okay with the things I was doing. But yes, it is, you know that's kind of my thing. I like to observe people. And when you're working with someone for 15 Joanne and - almost all of our stuff is together so I spend a ton of time with her. Watching her, and just seeing how she operates. So it was pretty easy to find a few things that I could use. But then again, you know, you want to make sure that you don, you know, create a character of that person. So - and I think she did a great job of, you know, doing me. And apparently I look like a gorilla.

Question:
Why do you think the regents who are supposed to be also smart would not only let HG back in to the warehouse but reinstate her as an agent?

Saul Rubinek:
I like the fact that the regents are fallible or can be fallible. And I am really betting that they're going to start to talk about how they're chosen or who they are and where they come from. And who chooses who is going to be a regent and what are the qualifications because they seem to be from ordinary walks of life. And then, you know, and then they don't. Then, they look kind of powerful and interesting like the last ten regent did.

And I am not so sure that if they were just people who are brilliant that they wouldn't seem alien. And all of their decisions would be right. So Artie put them - really drew the line in the sand last season when he was put on trial. And he said, no you are completely wrong about MacPherson or at least you're afraid to deal with him which is why you are trying to hold me back.

And I am going to go after him the way I know how to go after him or fire me. Or kill me or do what ever you need to do but, you know, I am not - I am just moving forward. So they're fallible and I think that's what is really cool is that Ms. Fredric knows that. And she is - because she is not a regent she is something else. We now find out that she is a caretaker for the first time just this last episode. We didn't know what she was.

Question:
Is Jaime signed for next season?

Saul Rubinek:
We're not going to tell you.

Question:
Earlier you were both talking a lot about the art department, the props and the sets. So I am curious, what is your favorite, you know, either prop or part of the set on the show for both of you?

Saul Rubinek:
That's really - hands down it's Artie's office for me.

Eddie McClintock:
I would have to agree.

Saul Rubinek:
That is where I live. It's just - if you come on to that set it's magical. They never get tired of shooting it. There are all these nooks and crannies that you haven't even seen on the show in detail. It's just a very - or mine when I first walked on there I said, okay wow no acting required. I just have to show up here. This is a - it reminds me of, you know, if you were Captain Nemo, this is what your office would look like.

Eddie McClintock:
Yes.

Saul Rubinek:
The steam punk design which is a combination of 19th century. Very 19th century look combined with the 21st century technology. It's put together in a mysterious and beautiful way. It's a beautifully designed set that leads out into the warehouse on that balcony. And they have extended that set now outside into the girders of - and the staircase that reach into the warehouse and up into the catwalks of the warehouse. And they've now extended the upstairs part of that - I think they will eventually show you Artie's room where he actually lives.

Eddie McClintock:
And that ain't pretty.

Saul Rubinek:
And there are doorways that we haven't explored yet. You know, and where they lead to. You know, last season we opened a door and suddenly we knew we were in this file room that we'd never seen before which is really cool.

Eddie McClintock:
The S&M room.

Saul Rubinek:
Yeah we haven't - we're not showing that this - that's a spoiler.

Eddie McClintock:
Oh sorry. Can't print that.

Saul Rubinek:
But it really is - there are so many different parts of it that are great. I mean the warehouse itself which is of course, you know, partly made up of green screen is still a very, very large studio. The entire - almost the entire studio. They have shelves and girders and all of the objects. I mean it's really fun just walking around to see what they've put up on those shelves. You know, really interesting things. So yes, it's really a magical kingdom for us. So we get to be kids as we go do the show, you know. A little bit like children's theater.

Question:
Saul, the dynamic between Artie and Claudia has got to be hands down one of my favorite parts of the show. Is there a possibility of having a spin off of you two, perhaps like a Web series or something?

Saul Rubinek:
A Web series of Claudia and Artie. I hadn't thought of that. You can pitch that...

Eddie McClintock:
Clartie.

Saul Rubinek:
Yes. Clartia. I think she used that phrase once. Yes. Kind of - it's a wonderful relationship that started right away because the brilliant writing of the first episode that she appeared in last season. Really set the tone for what the characters were going to be. But then the piece of good fortune that happened is that they cast - (unintelligible) because she is an accomplished actress even though she's only 19.

And it was like we had been working together for years and we immediately have a short hand. It was like we were old friends right away. And some of that relationship that you're seeing is offset - off the set as well. So there is some kind of father daughter thing happening which is fun for us. And fun when the bickering and the love of the characters, their affection for each other and the mentorship. The sorcerer and his apprentice.

Part of the relationship exists on screen to make, you know, to make the characters come alive. And it - some of it's true to life and it is fun. But we are very fortunate. Yes. The chemistry between us was magical right from the very beginning and the writers have a great time writing for us. So it is a huge benefit for both of us.

Question:
What has been the difference for you in jumping into something like this in terms of engaging with fans now who have found you because of this show even though y'all have had a broad background in a variety of shows?

Eddie McClintock:
Well for me now it's only eight out of ten people confuse me for David Boreanaz. So that's gotten better. But, you know, after all of these years. I mean Saul kind of - he's recognizable for a lot of his great work that he's done. And I knew when I met him that right away I just was a little star struck when I met him but not anymore. But, you know, it's nice to be - after all of these years, to have people recognize me as Pete.

And now they go, oh not - after seeing me they then recognize that I was - I played Sully on Bones. So it's great, it's a really - I mean I don't care what anybody says. But for me the recognition is part of - I mean a small part but a part none the less of why I, you know, became an actor. I wanted to, you know, it's obvious I wanted to be noticed and be recognized for my work. So the fact that people are doing that now is a bit of a pay off.

Saul Rubinek:
For me it was unexpected. I wasn't expecting at this point in my career to get a great role like this. Not that they don't happen and it is part of the business but it wasn't something that I was, you know, expecting. Maybe when I was younger I was hoping, yes it would be great to land a great role in a series. And there were a couple that, you know, tried and didn't last very long or I was recurring role in some great series.

Certainly had a great time doing Frasier. I've done wonderful guest stars - starring roles on some great stuff. I really have had an interesting career but this came along out of the blue. It was not expected. And also it - I, you know, it's rare and I've said this before. It's just rare. I mean to be a part of a show that's the most successful show in a network's history. Then the audience - the number of people that are seeing it, it's really great. It's also, you know, the boss role on TV. Now take a look at them, you know, they could be really - that could really boring. And the show is unpredictable so it's a blessing in my life.

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